Wednesday, November 8, 2017

David Bednar vs Joseph Smith

How Can I know If I am Doing the Lord’s Will?

I don’t give much thought anymore to the actions of the religious organization I had to leave - I have moved on to much greater things.  However, last Friday it was impressed upon my heart to attend Bednar’s devotional at the Utah Valley University LDS Institute building.   As a follower of Jesus Christ, I am under a degree of obligation to defend my Lord from those who misquote his servants (Joseph Smith being one of those servants) and who misrepresent Jesus by invoking Christ’s name in vain.  I give very little mental energy to the words of general authorities, recognizing that they are preaching from a platform of religiously ingrained traditions of presumed spiritual authority, and not necessarily from the direct presence of God.  It does not benefit me to waste valuable time critiquing their teachings, however, there are LDS UVU students who are honestly seeking for truth who will find themselves gravely disappointed years down the road if they continue to live from the spoon-fed, mundane, philosophies of men mingled with scripture.  So this post is for them.  My prayer is that this message will bypass the hard-hearted while reaching the hearts of those who are truly seeking. 

Recording of the devotional was prohibited, and the institute did not do a video/audio recording or transcription ( I asked), however, I do have the notes from people who attended, as well as my own fresh memory.

A question presented to David Bednar: How can I know if I am doing the Lord’s will?

He began his answer by quoting the Lectures on Faith but without specifically referencing those “rejected scriptures”.  Instead he simply said:

“Joseph said that three things are necessary for us to exercise faith in God. First, that God does actually exist; second, correct ideas of his character, his perfections, and attributes; and third, that the course which we pursue is according to his mind and will”  (Lecture 3:3-5)

I was excited to hear this! I had hope that since Bednar began by quoting the Lectures on Faith, that he would actually teach what Joseph Smith taught in response to that exact same question of knowing if you are doing the Lord’s will. 

Bednar continued his answer by explaining that we don’t ask ‘who should I marry’, ‘what career should I follow’, or ‘what we are supposed to do’, but we need to follow the covenant pathway. He explained that the covenant pathway is temple ordinances. He then uses Lehi’s dream to explain that Christ is the tree, and to hold to the iron rod is to accept other covenants.  He made it clear that those covenants are offered by the CHURCH.  He then concluded that you can know that you are doing the Lord’s will by keeping the commandments, which is to remain faithful to the church and worthy to go to the temple.

Sacrifice was not mentioned in Bednar’s answer

Simple answer, right?  But is it simple unto the expounding of plain truth, or is it simple unto the pacifying of one’s soul into the carnal security of salvation through an organized institution? 

You can ask a Jihadist,  the Conquistadors, the Spanish Inquisition this question and they would give you a very similar answer that entails loyalty to their church.

Now if you have attended the devotional, or have read this far, I want you to read Joseph Smith's answer to the question of knowing God’s will, and compare it to Bednar’s response. The contrast is as the daylight is from the dark night if you have the eyes to see. 

The Lectures on Faith: Lecture Six

‎            1 Having treated in the preceding lectures of the ideas of the character, perfections, and attributes of God, we next proceed to treat of the knowledge which persons must have that the course of life which they pursue is according to the will of God, in order that they may be enabled to exercise faith in him unto life and salvation.

2 This knowledge supplies an important place in revealed religion; for it was by reason of it that the ancients were enabled to endure as seeing him who is invisible. An actual knowledge to any person that the course of life which he pursues is according to the will of God, is essentially necessary to enable him to have that confidence in God, without which no person can obtain eternal life. It was this that enabled the ancient saints to endure all their afflictions and persecutions, and to take joyfully the spoiling of their goods, knowing (not believing merely) that they had a more “enduring substance” (Hebrews 10:34). 

 3 Having the assurance that they were pursuing a course which was agreeable to the will of God, they were enabled to take, not only the spoiling of their goods and the wasting of their substance joyfully, but also to suffer death in its most horrid forms; knowing (not merely believing) that when this earthly house of their tabernacle was dissolved, they had a building of God, a house “not made with hands, eternal in the heavens” (2 Corinthians 5:1). 

 4 Such was, and always will be, the situation of the saints of God, that unless they have an actual knowledge that the course that they are pursuing is according to the will of God, they will grow weary in their minds and faint; for such has been, and always will be, the opposition in the hearts of unbelievers and those that know not God, against the pure and unadulterated religion of heaven (the only thing which ensures eternal life), that they will persecute to the uttermost all that worship God according to his revelations, receive the truth in the love of it, and submit themselves to be guided and directed by his will, and drive them to such extremities that nothing short of an actual knowledge of their being the favorites of heaven, and of their having embraced that order of things which God has established for the redemption of man, will enable them to exercise that confidence in him necessary for them to overcome the world, and obtain that crown of glory which is laid up for them that fear God.

5 For a man to lay down his all, his character and reputation, his honor and applause, his good name among men, his houses, his lands, his brothers and sisters, his wife and children, and even his own life also, counting all things but filth and dross for the excellency of the knowledge of Jesus Christ, requires more than mere belief or supposition that he is doing the will of God, but actual knowledge; realizing that when these sufferings are ended he will enter into eternal rest, and be a partaker of the glory of God. 

 6 For unless a person does know that he is walking according to the will of God, it would be offering an insult to the dignity of the Creator were he to say that he would be a partaker of his glory when he should be done with the things of this life. But when he has this knowledge, and most assuredly knows that he is doing the will of God, his confidence can be equally strong that he will be a partaker of the glory of God. 

 7 Let us here observe, that a religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things, never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation; for from the first existence of man, the faith necessary unto the enjoyment of life and salvation never could be obtained without the sacrifice of all earthly things; it was through this sacrifice, and this only, that God has ordained that men should enjoy eternal life; and it is through the medium of the sacrifice of all earthly things, that men do actually know that they are doing the things that are well pleasing in the sight of God. When a man has offered in sacrifice all that he has for the truth’s sake, not even withholding his life, and believing before God that he has been called to make this sacrifice, because he seeks to do his will, he does know most assuredly that God does and will accept his sacrifice and offering, and that he has not nor will not seek his face in vain. Under these circumstances then, he can obtain the faith necessary for him to lay hold on eternal life. 

 8 It is in vain for persons to fancy to themselves that they are heirs with those, or can be heirs with them, who have offered their all in sacrifice, and by this means obtained faith in God and favor with him so as to obtain eternal life, unless they in like manner offer unto him the same sacrifice, and through that offering obtain the knowledge that they are accepted of him.  

9 It was in offering sacrifices that Abel, the first martyr, obtained knowledge that he was accepted of God. And from the days of righteous Abel to the present time, the knowledge that men have that they are accepted in the sight of God, is obtained by offering sacrifice. And in the last days, before the Lord comes, he is to gather together his saints who have made a covenant with him by sacrifice. Psalm 50:3-5: “Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant unto me by sacrifice.”

10 Those then who make the sacrifice will have the testimony that their course is pleasing in the sight of God, and those who have this testimony will have faith to lay hold on eternal life, and will be enabled through faith to endure unto the end, and receive the crown that is laid up for them that love the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ. But those who do not make the sacrifice cannot enjoy this faith, because men are dependent upon this sacrifice in order to obtain this faith; therefore, they cannot lay hold upon eternal life, because the revelations of God do not guarantee unto them the authority so to do; and without this guarantee faith could not exist.

11 All the saints of whom we have account in all the revelations of God which are extant, obtained the knowledge which they had of their acceptance in his sight, through the sacrifice which they offered unto him. And through the knowledge thus obtained, their faith became sufficiently strong to lay hold upon the promise of eternal life, and to endure as seeing him who is invisible; and were enabled, through faith, to combat the powers of darkness, contend against the wiles of the adversary, overcome the world, and obtain the end of their faith, even the salvation of their souls 

 12 But those who have not made this sacrifice to God, do not know that the course which they pursue is well pleasing in his sight; for whatever may be their belief or their opinion, it is a matter of doubt and uncertainty in their minds; and where doubt and uncertainty are, there faith is not, nor can it be. For doubt and faith do not exist in the same person at the same time. So that persons whose minds are under doubts and fears cannot have unshaken confidence; and where unshaken confidence is not, there faith is weak; and where faith is weak, the persons will not be able to contend against all the opposition, tribulations, and afflictions which they will have to encounter in order to be heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ Jesus; and they will grow weary in their minds, and the adversary will have power over them and destroy them.  

(Note: This lecture is so plain, and the facts set forth so self-evident, that it is deemed unnecessary to form a catechism upon it. The student is therefore instructed to commit the whole to memory.)

I end this post by echoing the warning of Nephi concerning the vain religion of the latter-day gentile church. 

And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell
(2 Nephi 28:21)

cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.
(2 Nephi 4:34)

If your desire is to know if you are doing the Lord's will, May God bless you with the courage to make that necessary sacrifice.


  1. If you don't give much thought to the church leaders why do you keep voicing your opinion? If you are against it why don't you just leave them alone? We get it you don't agree. So why keep voicing your opinion, one would think this would be wasting your time and ours.

    1. Because it’s not about me. Reread the first paragraph, it address your exact concern.

      If you read through my blog and what I have posted on my Facebook you would realize that majority of what I share has a lot less to do with church leaders, and much more do to with expounding upon the scriptures, casting off unbelief, and coming unto Christ Hence the name of this blog “Chapter and Verse”.

      But because the majority of people in this world are seeking to learn via structured religion, and not through the medium of direct relationship God is offering to us through His son Jesus Christ, post concerning the church and its leaders tend to get more views and attention, and are therefore more popular and get priority in people’s newsfeed.

  2. I managed to see your reasoning, Khaden; have to wonder how Owen and Terrie missed it.

    I'm sometimes asked why I spend so much effort on my blog pointing out the false teachings rampant in the Church I grew up in, and the explanation is simple: if some of us don't point out that we things to repent of, some members might think we don't need to repent.

    I like your explanation. Also happy to see this blog, Khaden.

  3. I agree with Brother Waterman, and I am concerned about the fate of the Wood family. I myself am probably headed to the telestial kingdom, but I know what is required for the celestial level...sacrifice of everything I love.

  4. People miss to see the truth about the Doctrine of Christ and refuse to understand the reasoning behind it because of unbelief traditions and their absolute loyalty to an institution they belong.

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